Wednesday, November 12, 2008

 

Topical Invention

Post examples of definitions, analogies, consequences and testimony here from Chapter 7 in Holler.

Comments:
DALENA TRAN
MELISSA MAH
SARA YUSUFI
English 201A
MW 1-2:50
11/12/08
p.201-p.207
Definition:
1. "Bomb first" exhibits an ecumenical religious sensibility as he observes, "Spirits sputing spiritual lyrics/ Like the Holy Koran." (203).
2. "It is apparent that Tupac aimed to enhance awareness of the divine, of spiritual reality by means of challenging orthodox belief and traditional religious practices" (204).

Analogy
1. "Instead of a liability, his youth may have been an advantage, in the way that a naive belief in the possibility of solidarity often trumps hoary antagonoims to such a belief. To paraphrase Thomas Edison, it may be the youth ignorant of the limitations on true religious and racial harmony who achieves the end over the protests of the learned elder" (205).
2. "If Wilson's words appear outlandish to some perhaps even sacrilegious to others, it might help to remember that Tupac was opposed with God" (202).

Consequence
1. "In 'Only God Can Judge Me,' Tupac seeks an answer for his existence and his friends deaths, and in 'I Wonder If Heaven Got A Ghetto' Tupac declares his sympathy for thug life while pondering his destiny" (202).
2. "On the surface, his desires maybe read as compensation for the stability and trust absent in his own life. But that would ignore the speed of maturity of other spheres that resulted from his poverty and his mother's addiction. It would also overlook Tupac's attempt to wrestle with the great ideas that came his way through his arts education, but especially his own reading" (205).

Testimony
1. "Wilson's eulogy may have startled some in the religious community and beyond. 'Hip hop artists in many instances are the preachers of their generation, preaching a message in which, too often, those who have been given to preach prophetic words to the people have not given, 'Wilson said at the service'" (202).
2. "Although he was deeply spiritual Steinburg says that Tupac sought to question organized religion. 'He always talked about the Holy Triangle the msot volatile area in the planet' she says. 'The corners [are] Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, the three strongest, vocal organized religions.'"(204).
 
Definition: he knew he was never going to hit thirty

Analogy: Tupac was spinning out of control

Consequence: because Tupac was so lost in the world and confused nobody could reach him so God took him away from all his pain.

Testimony: “Back men that were eighteen and nineteen getting up saying how they wish they were going were my uncle Len was”.

Tipton
English 201B
 
Definition: An elevation of thug rhetoric and a glorification og gang behavior.

Anology: Tupacs remedy---thugish behavior

Concequence: Tupac turns to God to reconfigure his behavior. By doing so he creates music to publize his image into showing that he actually wants to be close to God.

Testimony: In "so many tears" he asks God to intervene in his suffering, "God can you feel me?/ take me away from all the pressure and all the pain.

---The song "so many tears" Tupac vents on his ability to communicate with God and questions his worries of being heard.

-Sameela Smith ENG.201A
 
Lisa Ryan
English 201A
MW 1-2:50

Definition:

Thug Theology- For many thugs, God is the great accomplish to a violent lifestyle.

Analogy- Big Sykes Tupac's mentor states that "God is a killer too." Sykes later says "Still the rules of the universe reflect Gods will."

Consequence- Even though many thugs feel that they do not fear death and are ready to go, they leave there families behind to mourn their tragic deaths.

Testimony- "The readiness to die is characteristic of thug theology as much because of the intensity the suffering they observe and endure-and quite often cause-ad the belief that they have squared themselves with God."

Authentic Blackhood- "Those hip- hoppers concerned with the elevation of the race through edifying stories of black achievement view themselves as custodians of their generation's moral memory."

Analogy-
Consequence-A high premium is placed on recognizing and exploiting the historic continuties between black generations. There is also a strong empahsis on combating self-destructive habits-glamorizing violence, promoting gang culture, encouraging misogyny and codifying self hatred-that find expression in quarters of hip hop.


Testimony-
 
Peter Dominguez
November 12, 2008
MW 1-3
Ch.7 But Do The Lord Care?
In the beginning of this chapter Tupac describes issues that he was going thru with God. Tupac did believe in God but, in his songs you could see the different questions he had for God. When Tupac was young he was really interested in religion and studied the different ones individually. Many people could relate to Tupacs relationship with God, or at least they could understand/feel what he was saying in his raps. Tupac wondered if God would forgive his thuggish lifestyle of drinking, smoking and womanizing. Deep down knew that God would forgive him because he repented for his sins, and with Gods forgiveness he was ready to die.
 
Treana Penn
1:00-2:50mw

Topical invention

Definition:
1)" There is also a strong emphasis on combating self-destructive habits--glamorizing violence, promoting gang culture, encouraging misogyny, and codifying self-hatred--that find expression in quarters of hip-hop (210)."

2)" A high premium is placed on recognizing and exploiting the historic contiuities between black generations (210)."


Consequences:
1)" To those who claim that thugs ate brutal and vicious and incapable of decency, it may be well to remember the beliefs they appeal to in justifying their behavior (210)."

2) " But if somebody is trying to do something wrong to me, then I know I did wrong to people before, so now I have to realize that it could be just the repercussions from what I did (211)."

Testimony:
1)"I am going to stop thugging," he told Smith "I am getting rid of the guns; I'm getting rid of all the niggas around me. I'm changing, Jada. I don't want to do this rap thing anymore. I'm just going to act." Despite his wishes to transform himself, Tupac was trapped by his past (215).

2)"I remember when [Tupac]died, someone at Columbia University said, 'Why would you rewrite a poem about Tupac?'" poet Sonia Sanchez recalls. "' He was a thug .'" After retelling her questioner that all black men and women in America at one time or another may be similarly viewed, she pointed out some icons that were also scorned. "Martin [Luther King Jr.]was considered when he was arrested (209)."

Analogy:
1)"'If Jesus would come in your church , he'd be crucified again.' Because, Jesus was a bad dude. He was challenging what I call the ortodox criminals." Sanchez contends that Tupsc did the same, challenging those figures that opress black communities and distort black identity (209)."

2)" It is a central moral contention of Christianity that God may be disguised in clothing--and maybe even the rap--of society's most despised members (209)."
 
Francisco Marcial
English 201A
MW 1-2:50pm

Definition: “His songs were calculated to take you back to the bible” (Dyson, 204).

Analogy: “What did the ten commandments say? That there are ten rules to the game” (Dyson, 204).

Consequence: “When Tupac was murdered…Were getting a flood of calls from young people who are in such grief and pain” (Dyson, 201).

Testimony: “Tupac was obsessed with God” (Dyson, 202).
 
William Johnson
Kim wilson
English 201A
MW 1-2:50

Definition: “he always talked about the holy triangle… the corners are christianity, islam, and judaism,the three strongest vocal organized religion.” (steinberg, 204)

Analogy: “if you don’t speak out, then the rocks will cry out… pop artist are the rocks that that are crying out with prophetic words.”(wilson, 202)

Consequence: “tupac was bitter about the poverty he was in… that suffering led him to deepen his understanding of spirituality and of God.” (dyson, 207)

Testimony: “smith believes, however, that tupacs heavy reliance on weed and alcohol made it difficult to discern his faith.” (dyson, 207)
 
Treana Penn
1:00-2:50mw
English 201

Topical invention of Chapter 7 pgs 208-216

Definition:
1)" There is also a strong emphasis on combating self-destructive habits--glamorizing violence, promoting gang culture, encouraging misogyny, and codifying self-hatred--that find expression in quarters of hip-hop (210)."

2)" A high premium is placed on recognizing and exploiting the historic contiuities between black generations (210)."


Consequences:
1)" To those who claim that thugs ate brutal and vicious and incapable of decency, it may be well to remember the beliefs they appeal to in justifying their behavior (210)."

2) " But if somebody is trying to do something wrong to me, then I know I did wrong to people before, so now I have to realize that it could be just the repercussions from what I did (211)."

Testimony:
1)"I am going to stop thugging," he told Smith "I am getting rid of the guns; I'm getting rid of all the niggas around me. I'm changing, Jada. I don't want to do this rap thing anymore. I'm just going to act." Despite his wishes to transform himself, Tupac was trapped by his past (215).

2)"I remember when [Tupac]died, someone at Columbia University said, 'Why would you rewrite a poem about Tupac?'" poet Sonia Sanchez recalls. "' He was a thug .'" After retelling her questioner that all black men and women in America at one time or another may be similarly viewed, she pointed out some icons that were also scorned. "Martin [Luther King Jr.]was considered when he was arrested (209)."

Analogy:
1)"'If Jesus would come in your church , he'd be crucified again.' Because, Jesus was a bad dude. He was challenging what I call the ortodox criminals." Sanchez contends that Tupsc did the same, challenging those figures that opress black communities and distort black identity (209)."

2)" It is a central moral contention of Christianity that God may be disguised in clothing--and maybe even the rap--of society's most despised members (209)."
 
Joshua Brown-James
November 12, 2008
English 201A

Definition:
1) Tupac was trapped by his past.

2) Although prison certainly exacerbated Tupac's unhappiness, it did not create his misery. page 216

Analogy: The light that was in his eyes [before prison] wasnt there. When he got out of jail, I think he was a perfect nihilistic vision of what people kind of believe a black man in America as a hip-hop artist should be, because he really did not give a fuck, and he put it all in his music. Page 216


Consequence: Tupac was defeated by the very experience he once deemed crucial to the black male existence. Page 216

Testimony: "I remember when [Tupac] died, someone at Columbia University said, 'Why would you write a poem about Tupac?" poet Sonia Sanchaez recalls. "He was a thug." page 208
 
Definition: he knew he was never going to hit thirty

Analogy: Tupac was considered as a nemesis Pg.225

Consequence: Because Tupac was so lost in the world and confused nobody could reach him so God took him away from all his pain.

Testimony: “Back men that were eighteen and nineteen getting up saying how they wish they were going were my uncle Len was. Pg 227”

Tipton
English 201B
 
Tiffany Allen
Eng 201

Definition: Tupac was obsessed with God.

Analogy: We sat all day talkng about our mothers,how both of us felt like our mothers were our children.

Tupac was a thug,and certainly Jesus was to and Martin Luther King,they were all considered bad dudes even though the were all stood for change.

the gangsta's God-or the thug theology-

Tupac was spinning out of control

consequence:Tupac was murdered, baptist pastor reverend wille wilson recieved calls from a couple of local radio stations personalities.
 
Earnest Davis
English 201
m-th 8-9am

Chapter 7
Definition:
"Tupac aimed to enhance awareness of the devine, of spiritual reality, by means of challenging orthodox beliefs and traditional religious practices." (204)

Analogy:
"That was his dream to embrace diversity." (204-205)

Consequence:
"On the surface, his desires may be read as compensation fr the stability and trust absent in his own life." (205)

Testimony:
"He Always talked about the holy triangle, the most volatile area in the planet." Steinberg says. (204)
 
Vonreesha Jackson
English 201A
Topical Inventions

Invention: For many thugs, God is the greatest accomplishment to a violent lifestyle.
Many critics think that his remedy an evaluation of thug rhetoric and glorification of gang behavior- only increases the suffering. Pg.217
Definition: The readiness to die is characteristic of thug theology, as much because of the intensity of the suffering they observe and endure-and quite often cause-as belief that they have squared themselves with God. Pg 212

Analogy: That was the [downward] spiral of his life

Consequence: Although prison certainly exacerbated Tupac’s unhappiness it did not create his misery.Pg216
Testimony: Jada says Tupac really thought he had tricks up his sleeve. Instead he was defeated by the very experience he once deemed crucial to the black male existence
 
Renee Dumaguit
Eng201B
MW 1pm - 2:50pm


Definition -
1.) "Hip-hop artists in many instances are the preachers of their generation, preaching a message which, too often, those who have been given the charge to preach prophetic words to the people have not given, [...]"(202).
2.) "[...] God in your breath and your being on this planet, [...], [and that] you have to really come to the truth there is a spiritual force in this universe..."(204).

Analogy -
1.) "...'If you don't speak out, then the rocks will cry out.'[...]"(202).
2.) "He always talked about the holy triangle, the most volatile area in the planet, [...]"(204).

Consequence -
1.) "Still, it is notable that a poor black youth who was bounced from home to home with little means of support should harbor such grand aspirations"(205).
2.) "Perhaps his harsh circumstances fueled in him the desire to destroy all barriers to human community,[...]"(205).

Testimony -
1.) "Tupac was obsessed with God. His lyrics drip with a sense of divine"(202).
2.) "There is in this arena of hip-hop shameless glorification of figures otherwise stigmatized in society, [...]. These conflicting views, of course, produce competing views of black selfhood, [...]"(210).
 
Andrew Nguyen
English 201
8-8:50AM

Definition:
"Tupac's passion for spiritual matters never left him, although its form and function in his later life may have become almost unrecognizable by earlier standards" (207)

Analogy:
"'It's hard to make sense out of it, like in our terms of what makes sense.'"(207)

Consequence:
"That suffering led him to deepen his understanding of spirituality and of God." (207)

Testimony:
"'And I knew he ewas a real spiritual person, maybe not as far as proclaiming it, but you can hear it in his songs, in his art.'" (207-208)
 
Dion Cade

Definition--Tupac aimed to use his spiritual beliefs to tear down ethnic and national barriers. (204)

Analogy--It would also overlook Tupac's attempt to wrestle with the great ideas that came his way through his arts education, but especially his own reading. (205)

Consequence--If his ideals for spiritual communion were optimistic, his views of spiritual transformation were decidely realistic, even suprisingly mature and critical. (206)

Testimony--"Pac really thought that [these]'others' would usher in a new consciousness where to be...black or 'other' would be okay. And that was his dream to embrace diversity."
 
Joshua Brown-James
English 201A
1-2:50pm

Chapter 7 pages 208-217

Def:
1) Tupac was trapped by his past.
2) Although prison certainly exacerbated Tupac's unhappiness it did not create his misery.

Ana: That light and the wit, the way that he would shine, it was completely changed, dimmed after that experience.

Con: Instead, Tupac was defeated by the experience he once deemed crucial to the black male existence.

Test:
1)"I remember when Tupac died, someone at Columbia University said, 'Why would you write a poem about Tupac?"' poet Sonia Sanchez recalls. "'He was a Thug"'

2)"That was where the Tupac that I knew ended."
 
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