Wednesday, December 10, 2008



Today we watched the Write Course Argumentation video in the afternoon class and did a few exercises. We also referenced Hacker (48). Students identified deductive and inductive arguments in pairs (handout from Writing Logically, Thinking Critically). In the early class we reviewed various definitions and searched for arguments in both Dyson and Guy's books.

We looked at the essay by Nathan McCall and Michael Gartner. (Handout)The essay questions are at the end of the essay. There are 4 choices. If you need extra credit, this essay can help your grade. It should be 2-3 pages.

If you think you might need more time to get your portfolio essays completed Eng. 201, 1-3, talk to me before 12/17. It is too late for a W and I have to give you a letter grade.

English 201 B

It is very important to have a strong argument, what if your life was on the line and you had to present to the world that you were framed.
Dalena Tran
English 201A
MW 1-2:50

An argument is a debate of which your beliefs stands by. In order to create an argumentative paper, you must first take a stand. Clearly state the position of which you take as a fighter. Secondly, it is important to find evidence to present to the audience. The evidence must allow a clear demonstration as to why your position is right and why the opposition is wrong. To help find good evidence, it helps to find an understanding of the opposition’s side. Compare and contrast their ideas with your own. Sources are requirements for evidence, which must be reliable, consistent, and not contradictory. Evidence should be easily observed from an audience’s point of view. As a defender, a key fact to a good argumentative is focusing on the audience. There are different pointso f view from the audience, such as those who agree, disagree, and those who cannot make up their mind. Keep in mind that your argumentatives can change the audience’s thoughts. You must sell your ideas to the audience.Lastly, conclusions must be summarize the evidences and the outcome, clearly. Conclusions wraps the whole paper into a small paragraph that will remind the audience of the position.
Melissa Mah
English 201A
An argumentative essay or paper must have a topic that is debatable. The topic must have two sides to it. In a paper you must side with one side, and persuade your audience. For example, the death penalty, you could argue whether you think it is good or bad.
Lets say you think its bad, you believe that everyone deserves a second chance and it is sinful to kill someone, to be a murderer. First off you would need to obtain factual evidence to support your point. Research what the death penalty is, what they do, the history of it, and how it is immoral. Next think of what your opponent is going to say. They could argue that, “what if the person killed your family, wouldn’t it be in the best interest to also kill that person, before they hurt other people?”. They you could argue back by saying “well if we kill the person wouldn’t it make us like them?”. Be prepared to counter your opponent.
Tell why your opponent is wrong and why you are right. Persuade them that your side is better, and how people benefit from your side. Tell what your side can do to make the community better. Also put yourself in your audience’s shoes. If you were a audience member listening to this debate, which side would you take?
Make sure your evidence is real and relevant. If you want to use a professional for a source, make sure they are a real professional not a fake one. Also make your evidence relevant, if you are talking about the death penalty and why its bad, don’t talk about the weapons the murderer used to kill the victims he killed.
Keeping these facts in mind will give you a good argumentative essay.
Joshua Brown-James
English 201A 1-2:50pm

After watching the short film on argumentation I have a better understanding of how argumentation is defined. My understanding before the film was that an argument is just two people having different views on a topic which is partly true. From the film I got that argumentation means pursuing the audience for a particular topic. I learned that the best type of argument anticipates the opposite’s argument and finding ways to tear it apart. A good argument has to have lots of preparation because it’s all about being a step ahead of your opponent, having good qualified sources and being consistent. I learned that people such as myself often mistakes opinion with evidence but opinion isn’t evidence because evidence has to be factual. This was a good film because it gave me a lot of information an argumentation. Now I will be able to think about this film and the information when I’m writing an argumentative essay to make it persuasive in order to when my argument.
Peter Dominguez
December 10, 2008
MW 1-3

This afternoon in our English class we watched a video about Argument. There are two different kinds of arguments inductive and deductive arguments. In an argument you must have evidence to back up your idea. There are three different styles of arguments. The first style of argument is the style for people that agree with your argument. There is also the style for people who don’t agree with your argument and also a style for people who aren’t really sure or can’t make up their mind about the argument. There are different ways to prepare you before entering into an argument. The first thing you must do is develop a basic outline for your argument, and then you must find evidence for your argument. It is important for a debater to prepare both sides of their argument offense and defense. You should prepare yourself by thinking about what your opponent will say and how you will respond to their argument. Finally you should always use facts to back up your argument.
There were four main characteristics of this film:





--Sameela ENG.201A
Lisa Ryan
English 201A
MW 1-2:50
Prof: Sabir

The video " Write Course Argumentation" was full of good information on preparing yourself for debating and establishing argumentation. How to sell your ideas, sell yourself and anticipate what the opposition will say. And showing the audience what you have to offer. I wish we could have covered this a little more during the semester.

The exercise we did in class was great. I really enjoyed it.
Treana Penn
English 201A
MW 1-2:50

Watching this video about arguments reminding me of the 1980s and 1990s videos that teachers used in class as "how to videos" that was very corny, but you couldn't help to laugh. I personally believe that an argument is a statement that you feel is correct, but yet is debatable. That argument has been researched in and out so that you can answer any question brought your way about the argument. A good argument will make the person you are debating realize that you are correct and they could possibly incorrect. An argument can also be very pursuading and easy to understand. The person speaking on the argument should be able to provide all their evidence and sources. A real debater will be able to listen to the other debater and be able to restate any false information. I use to be on the speech and debate team, where there was interp (acting) and debate. I always stayed on the acting side and never crossed over to to the debating side, because it takes a lot of consistent work. But I set back and watch their techniques and watch how they speak with such confidence, because every thing that came out their mouths just flowed.
Francisco Marcial
English 201A
MW 1-2:50pm

"Argument Video"

After watching the video about arguments i learned what an argument really is. A argument is something that is debateable. It is also something that must have some kind of evidence to try to prove or show your side. I also learned that it is very important to know hoe to make a strong argument because you might need it later in life.
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